So, let's see. You used to call yourself a liberal. But things changed after 9/11, and now you're not sure what to call yourself anymore. Try "neo-neocon" on for size.
If you've ever had a yen to hear my voice, now's your chance. Here's an interview I did for "Blog Week in Review" at Pajamas Media.
posted by neo-neocon @ 11:42 AM
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I'm a lifelong Democrat, born in New York and living in New England. Surrounded by liberals on all sides, I've found myself slowly but surely leaving the fold and becoming that dread thing: a neocon. My friends and family are becoming sick of what they see as my inexplicable conversion, so I've started this blog to give vent to my frustration. I have a Master's Degree in Marriage and Family Therapy, and my politics make me a pariah there, too. Little did I know that I moved in such politically homogeneous circles. Why the apple? See this.
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Not sultry enough to suit me (kidding)- well metered, mature, the inflection shows one given to introspection. You didn't get to talk alot....
Almost all the Fox news women hosting shows and what not, have sultry contralto pitched voices. As well as that of other comparable networks like CNN.
The shrillness of soprano really, for some reason, is not seen as "authoritative or pleasant".
Your voice sounds like Melannie Phillips. And did you hear the way the host called you "Neo"? Lol
There is some under vibrations going on there, especially after Bay (was it Bay?) who said you could make a fool of yourself in public with blogs.
Be a bay, be e bee, be a bicky bay bee oh bo.
I'm not sure, but is the announcer annoyed? His voice changes some inflection when he talks about you Neo. Without the face and body language, I can't verify it however.
No, no, Austin's a good guy. We are acquainted with each other (we met at the PJ kickoff bash in NY). He was just teasing me.
Ah, his voice inflections were different, probably due to his teasing, when he first was refering to you. I just thought it weird that a host would do that to a guest. I didn't know the host was Austin though. Skipped all the names I guess since I don't know the voice patterns yet.
Well i listened to this nonsense and it left me wondering if this whole blogging business is a dangerously divisive enterprise. It seems to me that what is developing are groups of people who agree with each other mutually supporting the group-think of that faction. The web could be the end of broadcasting and the rise of a narrow cast to competing groups.
This blog provides a great example of this. Whatever happens you give a predictable right wing response and the other, increasingly violent cheerleaders for death, join in. There are then the dismal links to other right wing sites and the careful process of quoting out of context of perceived "left-liberal" sites.
The end point of all this neo-con nonsense will be a series of wars. The USA will win all of these in open battle but they will create an increasing number of "asymmetric" - terrorist type situations.
And the route to this is paved with the kind of low level racism, ignorance of the world outside the USA, nationalism and militarism neo exhibits in every posting. The real motivation for it is US economic supremacy and neo tries to provide an ideological justification for this. Commentators such as putrescent wasp and yrmdwnkr give us an unvarnished version of the neo-con approach which neo constantly fails to criticise as she probably, more or less agrees with them.
The United States has not yet begun to Empire build. Pray you are not alive to see this happen, for your soul and body will be laid bare to the elements should you resist such liberal actions to an extent that our Iraqi shock troops would be forced to render you As Un Der.
The history of nations is quaint, and complex, yet everything has a beginning. Such beginnings such as this comment to blackfive, is a good example.
Americans believe in our individuality, the diversity of human and individual accomplishments, for good or ill. We could have implemented John RIngo's strategy for Iraq and Afghanistan, but we would then be as acting like Britain, and not in a way true to the character of the United States. Individuality is inefficient, that is its charm. In the short term, it is messy and loud, but in the long term, the power that will be produced is unimaginable.
As Thornton wrote at VDH, individuality is the bane of totalitarian nations, systems, and people. Did you believe there were no totalitarian people? Oh there are, plenty to go around. Plenty to kill as well. Too many to live with to be honest.
Here's a little sample of individualism, via VDH, and my own comments
look yrmdwnkr although you may not know what your leaders are about they are actually quite open.
The Project for the New American Century is a non-profit educational organization dedicated to a few fundamental propositions: that American leadership is good both for America and for the world; and that such leadership requires military strength, diplomatic energy and commitment to moral principle.
I don't agree. I'm not here to read insults, but I'm also not here to live in fear of making a comment just because I said something to someone I shouldn't have.
In the case you mentioned Ariel, you recommended to me to tone it down. Now I made a specific response to that. However, my initial response to your tone it down remark, was to make note of that if you wanted to tone things down, look towards yourself. Thus it was not me dictating to you who you should speak to, but rather pointing out the logic of your own words.
I have no need nor desire to go reread something I have already made a good response to. I don't like to read insults, and that was my primary contention with any criticisms I levered. I don't do back and forths without considering the consequences. I do independent analysis since i prefer it. Conned gave me a reason and a pretext to provide good information and content on things that are beneficial, you should read some of that Ariel before saying I shouldn't have made the comment.
Checkmate you silly little fool.
Look at what you've written. You're way too easy to minipulate, I eschewed this for years as to guilty a pleasure but now its time. And you go on and on....
I don't believe that people should not talk to trolls if they are curious. Curiosity should not be limited. However, gross distorted comments via continuous insult barrage reproduction should be limited. For the sake of the readership if not for anyone else.
I don't like it when you reproduce the insult game. You don't like me making a response to Conned, even if my subject was individualism which isn't at all about Conned. Do you see the difference?
If people are afraid of making comments that the agent provacateurs talk about, then aren't we just self-censoring ourselves based upon what they choose to write about?
If people need help connecting the dots, then I make the observation that individualism is really the whole point of blogging and the Army of Davids. Individualualism... not comformity. Comformity also applies to Neo's reference to changing one's philosophy or beliefs.
And Ariel tells me I should not make responses to Conned when Conned was the one who (pardon the language) inspired the idea of individualism in the first place?
Well i listened to this nonsense and it left me wondering if this whole blogging business is a dangerously divisive enterprise.
Tell me again I should not make a comment about the value of individualism in response to the anti-divisiveness position of comformisists. It is not a valid argument.
Keeping quiet about it is acceding to uniform comformity, and if you read my links ariel, you will see the reasoning for why that is a bad thing.
much as it pains me to do this yrmdwnkr is right. He can say what he likes about who the hell he likes. I profoundly disagree with more or less everything he says but....
The point I made about blogs being divisive is a serious one and this whole trolls nonsense is part of it. A blanket refusal to take the views of others seriously - to find an excuse to dismiss them.
I do not expect to change your minds as I am sure you have thought a great deal about what you say - but i am entitled to say I think it is nationalistic, racist etc etc.
I do think that narrow groups blogging in agreement are a waste of time and can only lead to trouble.
The truth is that there are many ways to view the world. but the neo-con one is inherently dangerous.
As I've said before, I don't have the time to police every comment on this blog. And yet I value comments--I believe the comments section here is a very important part of the whole blog. And of course everyone here is free to comment or not comment, as you wish.
That said--yes, I have requested that people refrain from feeding the trolls. And yes, every response to a troll is feeding that troll, unfortunately. That's the way it works.
I am going to change the system here. But, as I said before, it will require some time and effort. My best guess is that it will occur some time next week.
in neo speak
opposition = troll
cowardly action will kill off debate. The whole thing will become a dreary neo-con love in.
..a mind is difficult to change
Putrescent Wasp said...
On America’s allies…
- In short, the answer of a large portion of the US is, "F**k you and the horse your rode in on.", a traditional Americanism. You will be safe in your protectorates and dependencies only as long as it suits our national purposes.
So, increasingly, in the days ahead the message will become, "Stand with us or stand aside." There are wolves to deal with and a yapping little poodle may get kicked into the middle of next week if it gets too distracting.
- Throughly unlikable people with very few exceptions. If anything it's gotten worse,and now I avoid them whenever possible. We could find a homeland for the Jews, but no one could abide sharing even a continent with the Brits. Used to have a good military but they screwed that up too. So we were stuck with the tenants we had. Couldn't foreclose. If it had been my decision, I'd moved every one of them out and let it go back to forest and downs.
If it was up to me, I'd let them go under sharia law for a century or two and not let a one of them immigrate. I'd do the same for the Kiwi's and the Convicts as well. No moral fiber, rotten to core. Nations of whingers and whiners who think the sun may have set on the British Empire but that it still shines out of their fundaments.
On thinking…
- I've also noticed that you chaps who have bigger brains than the rest of us and access to revealed truth do have trouble with the day to day functions, like not p**sing down your own pant leg.
- But, whatever makes you boy's skirts fly up, I'm sure will turn up here as another base canard directed against Americans and their supporters. I'm proud to call you two enemies.
Strange sexually related insults….could you please analyse this lot neo
- You're beginning to sound like some kind of broken record or one of the those old tossers with one track minds who hang around the public loos making inappropriate advances to young boys.
- In the real world and if I thought I could get away with it, I'd leave you cooling to ambient in a heartbeat and never lose a minutes sleep. That is not a threat by the way, just a simple statement of fact and impossible to make real given the anonymity of the Internet, as you point out. I'd do it pour encourager les autres as the saying goes.
I'm sure if you had any cheveux sur vos testicules you'd do the same to me. I just think it's important to know where you stand and I do.
- Fudd, you're a profoundly damaged personality filled with self loathing and its' attendent rage all because you mother dressed you as girl until you were eight.
It's time, way past time for you to seek help and professional therapy for your gender confusion. Remember Fudd, we're all your friends here and wish you nothing but the best in you future life, what little remains if you persist in cross dressing and hanging out in biker bars.
Naaaa. You're not crazy. Changed my mind. Keep going to the biker bars and you look stunning in the short pink number
- We know that GWB is an empty suit owned by interests and is a Saudi bumboy.
The skilled debater…
- Yeah, yeah, Conned, whateveryousay, cheerleader.. yeah, yeah. So, what the f**k makes you think that anybody here is so f***ing interested in what ever the f**k flies off you magic fingertips, eh bucko?
- Conned, if you think that was losing it... You win exactly what, tw*t?
You're a jerk. A pissant. A dingleberry on the world's fundament.
the future of America
- We're also tired of having some real concerns we have, like uncontrolled immigration that depresses wages and other issues about the direction this country is headed ignored by the DC slime. We know that GWB is an empty suit owned by interests and is a Saudi bumboy. But, since, right now, security is uppermost on our minds we've been willing to overlook his shortcomings. We are a patient people but our patience is wearing thin.
And we've been sh*t on a lot lately. It's well past time we put some fear on the bastards in DC and some state capitols. But, we're also pretty smart in that we know that our biggest asset is the fear we can instill when we get pissed off.
...and she calls me a troll. and says that i am insulting....pah You agree wuth all this stuff then neo? You going to have a blog full of this bile? Or are you interested in debate?
I think the PNAC statement is quite good in itself too now i know you dont want to talk to an evil person like me but are you serious? Do you agree that
American leadership is good both for America and for the world; and that such leadership requires military strength, diplomatic energy and commitment to moral principle.
and what on earth are you planning on doing with this leadership? And what about those of us who do not care to be led?
ok then ariel what has your comment to do with the subject of this thread? Nothing.
But if you want to ignore me fine. that is your right.
I look forward to the filtering of trolls on this blog. Neo is not providing a party for trash like Confud to crash. They can whine to the MSM
Only in America,can people afford to take their silliness to such extremeties.
Necons are no different than the Nazis, The Neo-Nazis, The Klansmen, and the Bushies of the day. They all must pass and will just as George and his pack in 2009. Even if they Neos succeed in getting another Republican in, the world wont stand for it. Its time you folks syop thinking that the world with a population of six billion is an easily-dispensable unnecessary appendage to a land of 150 Miliion Neocons and 140 Million level headed Americans. Wait up till the super-power ends up as a super-boob as China and India gobble up everything American,at dirt cheap rates. Dont believe me doya??
See there is the blessing. Ignorance is BLISS..
I am, unlike George Bush (or any male of the Bush family, for that matter) a Jacksonian:
The whole point of Jacksonianism is "You leave me alone and I'll leave you alone. You play fair with me and I'll play fair with you. But if you fuck with me, I'll kill you."
trouble is that usa does not leave others alone or play fair.
And it was me and not confud who provided the summary of your unpleasant work of which you, and neo are so proud.
I'm just replying as I read the comments. So Sally and Ariel's responses are staggered according to when they made their comments, in chronological order.
You keep it going by playing directly. Simple as that. Its a game you only lose.
I don't play that game. I might have started some back and forth going on, but I tried to minimize the space it took up after I saw how many comments I wrote and how hard it was to find any specific comment I wanted.
So I made the decision to instead of point by point talk and discourse, I engaged in summarization and logical premise analysis.
We can disagree on assassination, which we of course do. So that's an issue removed from the subject.
However, I do bring up the point that is relevant to what neo said and what I said about neo's standards. Neo standards, are not just about trolls, but it is also about not using gratuitous curse words F*** or other gratuitous insults.
You can see my response about individualism mattering more than any narrow characteristic of blogs, as feeding the trolls, but I'd prefer to see it as giving information to the audience so that people know what the arguments and what the counter-arguments are.
I believe I've demonstrated self-restraint on this blog through the time I've been here. If people ask me questions via insults, I don't answer them or engage in any substantial or lengthy manner. I am disappointed that people are unable to control themselves in talking to others, but their conduct is in their hands, not mine. I can only control my behavior, not anyone else's.
I've seen agent provacateur behavior before, but it was usally a one time or a short time deal. However, some people seem to have attached themselves to this blog, so that even if you don't talk to them, they will quote pieces of stuff other commentators write and get in on the discussion that way. And it works, since there are so many commentators here that are more or less regulars.
I'm not disagreeing with neo's recommendations about agent provacateurs, but I do recognize that there are substantial problems in the details. The situation as it exists now, for complete disengagement from agent provacateurs, we'd have to basically resist the temptation everytime we read a comment or read a new thread-post. It's similar to the defense strategy. It has to be 100% or else bad things happen, while the attackers can succede once and they'll win.
I liked reading Ariel's earlier work to Confude, as well as Kcom's, because it used reason, logic, and rationality. It made sense. It was talking about subjects that were independent of the existence of agent provacateurs and what not. However, the most recent comments of Ariel, were different. And I presume that Ariel agrees.
The point, however, Ymar, isn't that you should "live in fear of making a comment" -- the point is just that you should recognize when you're being manipulated to suit someone else's agenda.
I mean it in the sense that it is an anti-troll policy problem. Taking my specific example, I would not have made my comment the way it was if I had not read Conned's post about comformity, since that gave me the idea. Thus I am supposed to ignore the method by which I came to do what I do? That seems overly deceptive and clouded. Balance is the key, if you go too far to acid or base, you will get burned chemically. Thus, you shouldn't embroil yourself into a meaningless argument here, but neither should you or I ignore things that are worthwhile just because we fear to engage the agent provacateurs or say something that might refer to them. Fear is not preferable to rage and rage is not preferable to fear. Serenity, cold hard rationality, that is my preference at least.
I do not believe I am guilty of not recognizing when I am being manipulated. I've tried to distance myself emotionally, and even logically since I no longer use logic but some sort of.. fabricated reasoning in if I am speaking directly to Confude or Conned. Ymar fabricated it, he's good at that.
If you chase after every pointless comment made by a troll, regardless of how it bears upon a topic of conversation, then you're just letting yourself be used, whether or not you're aware of it.
I use what I can get. I do what I can do. I don't chase after every pointless comment made by a troll, and I can't make others avoid doing that as well. They can stop themselves, and they know it.
Ariel - But you'll likely feel and think differently 30 years from now.
You mean about assassination? The price of killing I have learned peripherally. Related to it, I actually learned lately in recent terms, that there is a societal barrier that has been indoctrinated into my core beliefs, that somehow prevent me from acting violently if I am not angry. Very powerful, I had not realized this until I had actually tried to summon the violence up. After I realized, I also realized another thing, that the limits placed on my ability to do violence is not powered by society or any kind of "liberal brainwashing" (although that contributed). Rather it was due to my core beliefs, I never believed in violence as a way to solve things, independent of what the media taught me. I was a non-violent kind of guy, I would warn people that their glue bottle was dripping onto their paper because it was the right thing to do, even if they later accused me in front of the teacher of doing it myself. Since I didn't speak English back then, it was hard to defend myself, I learned a certain stoicism. Take the punishment, and it'll go away.
I've been dismantling this rather prohibitive restraint on my violent impulses piece by piece, from the conscious mind down to the subconscious. Perhaps you come from experience in the opposite direction. Why am I dismantling my non-violent core beliefs? Because, they are preventing me from doing what I believe is necessary, and anything that prevents me from becoming better and more able to do what is necessary, I hate with a ferocity that is as cold as it is complete and undeniable.
Perhaps you feel uncomfortable when you see people like me, because you'd favor a more amenable and reasonable conduct towards violence. Are you afraid of your capacity for violence and for enjoying the destruction of your enemies? That's society speaking, and the bonds society places upon us is dependent upon what kind of person we are. If we are violent psychopaths like McVeigh, well then, societal boundaries are not very effective.
I do not believe I will hate terrorism, the murderer of children, and all those thugocracies any less in 30 years than now. That reads to me, like "Zarqawi will hate America less after 30 years of jihad". Maybe, maybe not. For me, not.
Neo doesn't want us to feed the trolls because you aren't actually engaging in a real argument when you do.
Well, like I explained, I'm not arguing with Conned, I'm presenting a good argument for the benefit of people like Sally, to show them my position and beliefs and my arguments. I've seen and read Confude's comments since the moment he stepped onto this blog, I was the first person to give him the benefit of the doubt when he kicked my olive branch away. I think I understand what neo says when she says there is no "real argument" with those people. You're preaching to the choir here, Ariel.
I don't do it to people who argue sincerely, with give and take.
I do not believe that you do it to people who argue sincerely, and it really doesn't matter to me one way or another in the sense of if I dont like it, I'll not read it. I only quote your comments to Confude, to make the point that I consider it becoming bad and that I should stop, if I get to the level where I'm emotionally out of control and insulting them for pleasure. That's like killing people and enjoying it, you start to understand there's something wrong, and you need to stop like right now.
I believe you also have that right, but I know when it's pointless and I know whose house I am in. My momentary breach was addressed in that last post you didn't read.
I believe I have the privilege of posting comments here, under Neo's guidelines. Her guidelines being don't gratuitously insult people, don't F*** them out, and etc. The last post at National security? I just read that now.
Conned's last two posts are simply more examples of the use of those tools. Analyze them and you'll see what I mean.
I skipped them. I do that a lot. You want me to read them? Sorry, no can do.
Nat,
Wait up till the super-power ends up as a super-boob as China and India gobble up everything American,at dirt cheap rates. Dont believe me doya??
I believe you, but China will take about 500 years to supersede us assuming they do eventually (Historically Empires last 500 to 1000 years, Rome being one of the longest Empires). And India? India's our pal, our comrade in arms, our battle brother, you think they're going to kick us out of the house? hehe, no way H.
Wow,
I am beginning to understand Neo's posts regarding Trolls from a few days back, and why it was becoming a concern for her.
I just scimmed most of what was written in this current thread because , quite frankly, I see a whole of trash going on. I thought there was room for honest debate regarding the issues posted, and I gave it a shot on a couple of previous threads.
However, I am seeing alot of inflammatory claptrap here. The few reasonable voices here are drowning in a sea of boilerplate and angry spittle.
I am beginning to remember why I stopped reading comment threads. People complain when certain cites don't have them, or keep them behind registration, but I understand why now.
Neo-neocon, I understand your earnest request for people to stop feeding the Trolls, but its gotten beyond that. It looks like they are feeding one another at this point. For myself, I think I'll need to stick to reading your posts alone.
For those of you who consider themselves so well-informed, brilliant and needing to write immense posts, why not start your own blog, or would that require too much thought and effort?
Flame away, because I ain't going to be reading it. I have better things to do.
Neo, I love your work, please keep it up.
-and getting back to hearing Neo's voice, I know you can dance but I don't recall you saying if you are a singer or were a singer too? I realize this is not as much fun as troll-baiting and having sport with them but,"...the voice of Neo-Neocon is heard in the land"....?
We not be as sheltered as ye think.
yeah if they live in your neighbourhood you are aware of them......hmmmmm
see you lot have found yourselves another troll. My these pesky people coming on here and disagreeing how it riles you. If you are so keen on democracy and grown up can you not find a way to deal with dissenters? Well no because you have the authoritarian streak in you that makes you so right wing.
As for whoever made thecomment does the group think apply to both left and right - well unfortuanately yes it does, you can hear the same predictable troll nonsense on many sites and it is harmful. As i said above we are heading for narrow casting to the converted with people like "neo" in the role of pied piper.
To you lot she is a hero of free speech to me she is a mildly racist, nationalist, cheerleader for death with an increasingly authoritarian tone.
I might be wrong but I am certainly entitled to argue it particularly given how dangerous the application of the foreign policies she supports is.
..and finally read your own coments. If you spent as much time arguing substantive points as you do shouting troll! everytime someone has the temerity to disagree the whole thing might be more impressive.
..oh and yrmdwnkr, it is not a good thing to break down the barriers on your violence. Violence is not big or clever get some therapy man before you do something stupid. And neo if you really are a therapist you should not be passively encouraging his violence - talk to the guy for god's sake.
yeah well you are probably too old and putrescent for therapy to do any good.
I'm sure glad nobody has to walk home in the dark from here. The Left has a bad reputation for physical re-education. One night they jumped the wrong person. They'd never seen a palm sap before.
it is a right collection of violence enthusiasts you have here neo. Which one do you think will actually be the first to kill?
My money is on yrmdwnkr as he feels a strong need to live up to something.
If you have any sense you might start handing out a bit of advice to these wannabe psychopaths before the laptop fantasy gets out of hand.
But no, you would rather spend your time getting annoyed about "trolls".
so it goes
Real combat veterans rarely talk about that kind of thing; it's tasteless.
hmmm... so how come your big mouth is always flapping away in the wind?
and Sally it is spelled Thanatos and i will think you may find that neo has told you not to talk to me so you had better do what you are told. And, lets face it, most of it is well out of your spelling range. Mind you there is a real talent for bitchy little coments in you.
enjoy
....by their friends shall ye know them neo and you have some beauties.
I am trying to respect Neo's don't-feed-the-trolls wishes, and it's so pointless to "discuss" anything with them that generally, I'm content to wait until she gets her changes made. But on this thread, I do want to point out the flock of brand-new troll posts that arrived under various different names all at once -- Natasha, Charlemagne, "happy warrior" (no way that one's genuine, sorry)-- my guess, people, is that these are all the same person and that person is a resident troll.
Take this, for example, from "Charlemagne":
Something that I think would happen within the next ten years or so: at the rate that tuition is going up in US universities, higher education will start to get outsourced at some point to places like India (which have plenty of English-speaking professors willing to work at cheap rates). Universitites will be forced tooutsource to India and US students will spend 4 years in India learning from Indian professors.
I will confidently bet that the person who wrote this 1) does not live in the United States and 2) knows zilch about college education in this country. The first big clue is the use of the word "university" as the generic descriptor for post-secondary education. Nobody who lives in the United States uses that terminology. American usage is to say "college" when we mean to talk about the larger world of post-secondary education, and "university" only when we mean to talk about institutions that fit within our specific definition of that term. The generic use of "university" where we would say "college" is a British usage -- and, oddly enough, an Australian one. Hmm.
Also, anyone who could imagine that within 10 years, American families would be sending kids to India to avoid the high cost of college education here does not know the first thing about the private/public structure of American education, the financial aid system, or, most importantly, the fierce and growing protectiveness of the typical American family sending a child off to college right now and the intense focus of such families on the perceived value of a "status" degree. The chance that such a family would see India, with its "cheap" professors (!!) as a better educational destination for their 18-year-old child than, say, a private college with good merit/need aid or the state university system, or that the current "helicopter parent" approach to secondary education could change that much in 10 years is, well, zero.
Outsourcing is a real issue in many industries, of course, but if it is ever going to affect college education in the United States, it is not going to happen in this generation. Nobody who lives here would suggest such a thing. This post is the work of a person from somewhere else who read a headline about rising tuitions in the US, knows nothing else about post-secondary education here, jumped to the rest of his conclusions, and has no problem with making know-it-all comments about subjects he completely fails to understand. Oh, yes, and he's from Britain or a British colony.
Connect the dots . . . and don't bother to engage.
oh well more stuff from Quartermaster Putrescent Wasp (retd) It will pass the time until the football starts again.
hmmm the point of the penultimate comment was?
Saudis keep killing Americans?
...on the subject of prosecution do you think that people who threaten to overthrow the federal authorities should be prosecuted?
woah sally has learned parody and mrswhatsit is developing paranoia - although it is actually a good argument. but i can assure you none of them are me. Ask neo to check the IP's.......hmm i think mine says i live in Iran, although i have lost track of them a bit - no it is Bogota Columbia
and sally you are really not meant to be talking to me however witty your ripostes.
so..
1. why not attack saudi instead of all the other places if they are the ones you are so mad at.
and
2. - We're also tired of having some real concerns we have, like uncontrolled immigration that depresses wages and other issues about the direction this country is headed ignored by the DC slime. We know that GWB is an empty suit owned by interests and is a Saudi bumboy. But, since, right now, security is uppermost on our minds we've been willing to overlook his shortcomings. We are a patient people but our patience is wearing thin.
And we've been sh*t on a lot lately. It's well past time we put some fear on the bastards in DC and some state capitols. But, we're also pretty smart in that we know that our biggest asset is the fear we can instill when we get pissed off.
when are you turning yourself in?
And what does that mean, that McVeigh is a good model of what you're aiming for for yourself -- the elimination of "societal boundaries"? All I can say is that I hope not.
If you will recall sally, I made the point about acids and bases. To apply my reasoning thus to McVeigh, he was never under any type of internal controls in the first place. I am. Psychopaths can never be chained by guilt because they feel no guilt, thus it is quite impossible for me to achieve McVeigh level psychopathy.
In essence, Boot Camp trains civilians and city boys how to take orders and how to do what is necessary, because there is no other choice. They teach them how to react correctly, they teach officers to give the right orders. And the NCOs are the oil that allows the machine to operate. If you believe that military training does not make human beings into psychopaths, then you cannot in good conscience disagree with my points as I laid it out.
Why would I hope not? Do you think that's just some sort of liberal squeamishness?
Forgive the lack of clarification, but I was refering to Ariel's comments about 30 years from now and the comments she made concerning assassination. My narative will skip to the commentator that I was reading currently when I wrote what I wrote.
at the rate that tuition is going up in US universities,
To provide the reasoning that people like charles contribute no energy into producing, the tuition in ivy league liberal arts colleges are increasing. The tuition for technical institutes and communal colleges are quite affordable.
And, you know, is the price worth it?"
Charles, maybe you missed out when I said to Conned that I was a true believer in the United States Constitution. How many people do you believe I would sanction the death of giving this context? And for what?
Albright has no core philosophical beliefs.
I think he might be, folks, inadvertantly revealing the undercurrent of real racism that underlies much of contemporary left liberalism. You can see the same thing in his mentor, conned, by the way.
Sally, stop talking about people being racist or having undercurrents of real racism. You think becoming like Confude will make you any more pleansant to read?
We not be as sheltered as ye think.
Well Ariel, if that was true, then Charles might have to admit that his opposition has some cuttingly devastating arguments and solid positions. He might then have to consider them in a new light, which would threaten his previous beliefs.
my guess, people, is that these are all the same person and that person is a resident troll.
Mrswhatsit
I differ on that because I am quite sensitive to the mental voice tones of people, and I try and pay hard attention to writing technique and inconsistencies. There are too many inconsistencies in Conned vs Confude vs Charles vs um the other, for them to be the same person. So I'd have to disagree here.
Best comment from wasp yet, in the above.
Neo, loved your voice. sounded clear , concise and alluring. Thank God no one had to hear mine.
Charlemagne said...
neoneoconned wrote:
"... It seems to me that what is developing are groups of people who agree with each other mutually supporting the group-think of that faction."
Exactly -- I hadn't checked out any right-wing/neocon blogs before, and this one and the freerepublic blogs were the first (and only) ones I checked out.
Perhaps you should get out of your 'group-think faction' more often.
"At 10:45 PM, June 25, 2006, confudeforeigner said...
Ariel said...
The downing by the Vincinnes was a mistake and owned up to, as well as paid for. Reagan gave his apologies to all concerned.
So, Ariel, care to comment on these factually incorrect statements?"
She is factually correct. I just read the entire transcript you linked to. When you re-read it, keep in mind the block-quote boxes used to insert references are inserted by secondary authors.
The assertion of the Nightline investigation that you linked is that the details of the Vincennes incident were not discussed honestly in public. No surprise.
The report actually verifies that the shoot-down was accidental- it was not an intended consequence or target of the alleged mission, and the captain of the Vincennes, under the circumstances of the immediate issue of being in a naval action and having a limited time to respond, took appropriate action to protect his ship. Of course, the problem was it wasn't an actual threat and he could not have known that. The Nightline investigation does nothing to dispel that assertion. It points out apparent inconsistancies in accounts of the event and documentation, and outlines an apparent cover-up, but that's it. Still an accident. You also need to keep in mind that Iran was actively mining the Persian Gulf at that time, and that is an act of aggression in international waters- you and Nightline like to gloss over that fact. If you want to discuss culpability or liablility, that might be a different issue, but there's a lot to discuss on that regard- it's a complex picture.
Good. I'm not sure why you assume (particularly after many links from non-left sites) that we, generally, 'don't get out much'...
On-Topic: Neo sounded good, I thought, but I'm not much for the podcast thing- I like the control of my time that I have in reading a post and comments, rather than the binding linearity of an audio track- which doesn't even have visual cues that I can fast forward to. Text is good.
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douglas: I'm a visual learner, too, and don't do as well with taking in information auditorially. See this.
I'm a visual and auditory learner for some weird reason.
But the visuals aren't words, but rather diagrams and pictures, sort of like 5% dyslexia.
I'm a visual and auditory learner for some weird reason.
is this because it is the form your hallucinations arrive in.
Good luck charlie I give it a week before you are declared a troll.
I met a traveler from an antique land
Who said: Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
Stand in the desert. Near them, on the sand,
Half sunk, a shattered visage lies, whose frown,
And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command,
Tell that its sculptor well those passions read,
Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things,
The hand that mocked them, and the heart that fed,
And on the pedestal these words appear:
"My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings:
Look upon my works, ye Mighty, and despair!"
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare
The lone and level sands stretch far away.
-Percy Bysshe Shelley
1792-1822
I don't care, so it is easy for me to tune it out.
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